HELP! I quit porn, but my potency, genital size, and/or libido are decreasing (Flatline)

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"The most common path people seem to have is Hyper-Arousal --> Flatline --> Natural Arousal, where the final end is a natural, healthy attraction/drive towards women that didn't exist at the beginning. Now there are quite a few variations on this, but congrats on getting out of the flatline." (link)

This is a typical phase of recovery in men who have porn-related erectile dysfunction, delayed ejaculation or just plain porn addiction. We call it “flatlining.” It’s temporary, but it can be very disconcerting, because it makes stopping porn seem like the cause of ED instead of the solution. (See accounts below and these threads - Gentlemen, why do flatlines scare us so much?, List all the flatline symptoms?, Anyone else asexual now?, )

Why this happens, no one knows. It seems reasonable that your brain has conditioned (rewired) itself to require a certain level, and type, of sexual stimulation - when it's removed your libido drops. (Read this thread in which guys suspect they have been living in a flatline for years)

Physiologically it's likely related to neurochemical events occurring during withdrawal from porn addiction. It's well known that during withdrawal from an addiction dopamine drops even further, and stress hormones such as CRF and norepinephrine rise. This combo can kill libido.

With less dopamine, the further desensitized reward circuit provides insufficient stimulation the brain's erection centers (hypothalamus). Less stimulation results in fewer impulses traveling down the spinal cord to reach the penis.

Although all addictions share the same fundamental brain changes, it's clear that Internet Porn addiction can affect brain circuits governing sexuality, as witnessed by the many reports of morphing sexual tastes, loss of libido, and sexual dysfunctions. My hypothesis is that deeper brain structures governing male sexual behavior and erections (the hypothalamus) are altered by a long standing porn addiction.

Whatever the cause, it's a sign that porn use has changed your brain circuits. This is clear as abstinence in otherwise healthy young men is not associated with a severe drop in libido (see Seinfeld).

The good news is that it will pass, and your libido will come roaring back. Everyone's recovery is a bit different, though, and it is not necessarily linear. Even after you start to notice signs of life, it's quite normal to see them followed by phases of sleepy-libido before you are completely back to normal. A few men with longer reboots experience a return of libido for a few weeks, followed by a few weeks of flat-lining libido.

The bad news is that this unnerving “flatline” phase can last weeks to months. However, we know of no one whose sexual performance issues are related to heavy porn use, who hasn’t ultimately improved—provided that he avoids intense sexual stimulation (ideally PMO and sexual fantasy) while allowing his brain to return to normal sensitivity. For the science behind your condition, and why it’s necessary to avoid intense stimulation, watch this video series Erectile Dysfunction and Porn.

If you want to shorten the misery, here are some tips that others have recommended:

Be consistent.

Those who recover fastest (“reboot”), are consistent in avoiding porn, sexual fantasy, sexting with Facebook hotties, and drastically reduce or eliminate masturbation & orgasm. If you choose to mix in occasional orgasm with a partner, that’s great, but some men find it sets them back early in their reboot. At first, any orgasm or intense arousal can trigger a powerful “chaser effect," and the result is a porn binge, which slows recovery. If you can masturbate based on physical sensations alone, without intense stimulation, it is less problematic—especially later in the process.

Edging to porn without orgasm is particularly detrimental, because 1) porn is the cause of ED, and, 2) dopamine levels are elevated for very long periods, which can lead to desensitization. Edging, with or without porn, is far worse than simply ejaculating and then moving to other activities (see - What if I masturbate (edge) or watch porn without orgasm?). One man reported that he ejaculated only once every ten days (because he saw benefits from conserving his sexual energy). Yet he still watched Internet porn every day…and developed ED.

Do not test.

When your libido flatlines, or you have other symptoms, such as “lifeless penis,” it is easy to panic and want to test yourself with porn to see if you can still force an erection. This tends to slow your recovery. Be courageous and patient. Remain in “The Void” until your body gives you signs that your brain and sexual responsiveness are back to normal.

Forcing or "checking" your erection process = pretty much worse thing you can do - 9 out of 10 times it's not up to expectations and ends up stressing you out.  I mean lets be honest your doing it not for anything sexual but just to check your erection, which means you really aren't thinking in a sexual fashion, should your penis really get hard to begin with?  The more you break down how faulty the logic is to "check" yourself, the better you'll understand that it serves zero purpose and usually just causes you to be down the rest of the day. (from this thread: Forced erection)

Do not overdo it when the moment arrives.

You may want to take it easy once you decide to reintroduce regular ejaculation. Several ejaculations in a row have sent guys back into a flatline. A vague recommendation, I know. If you severely sprained your ankle, does it make sense to  play six hours of full court basketball the day after you stop using crutches? A thread on orgasms throwing guys back into a flatline - just when i thought i was out of the woods...

Do not compare yourself with others.

It’s true that those who started masturbating long before high-speed Internet porn, and those who only started watching high-speed fairly recently tend to recover from porn-related sexual performance problems the quickest.

However, the severity of the problem is also tied to less tangible factors. First, brains differ in their sensitivity and response to excess dopamine (stimulation). Your brain may have adapted more quickly, and may need more time to return to balance. Second, the numbed pleasure response, which is the cause of your problem, doesn't appear to be directly tied to hours of viewing according to research. It's tied to "intensity of experience."

This can obviously vary for people. This guy even got lucky and recovered without much in the way of symptoms:

I really never had any withdrawal symptoms . I may have had blue balls for 10 minutes once. Other than those ten minutes, nothing. ED is as bad as it gets...always working to stay hard, not enjoying the sex. Man, I am glad to be over it.

Another guy:

Not everyone has a flatline, and it doesn't always begin around the same time. Most have it happen after about a week, but others (myself included) may have it much later. For the longest time I figured I wouldn't have one at all, but I ended up having a short one for most of week 7. It can also vary wildly in terms of length. There are many theories about why one experiences the flatline, but nothing is certain. Personally, I believe the flatline is a transition stage as you start giving up on the porn and stop thinking about it at all. Because you aren't sensitized to real-world cues yet, the libido plummets as neither real-world nor porn thoughts stimulate your brain. (I really noted a strong correlation between the beginning of my flatline and the disappearance of any porn-related cravings.)

If recovery is taking a long time and you started on highspeed porn early in your life...

Consider some of these suggestions.

Flat lineIf you need a laugh: The Time I Doubled My IQ (Dilbert's creator)

Flatline Stories (we have seen countless of the same):

Age 24 - ED healed, but sex initiated a 7-week flatline. I am finally healed


Almost 5 months in, my thoughts on flatlining

A fellow NoFapper messaged me asking about my experience with flatlining, because he's going through it right now and hates it. I figured I'd write my response here in case others find it handy:

Flatlining has actually turned out to be a godsend for me.

It would have been a lot tougher to make it to 147 days if it wasn't for me coasting through a large part of it because of the flatline. I was flatlining probably through half to two-thirds of my current streak. It's like your best friend in this game.

It actually tells me I'm doing something right. For the first time since I started masturbating, I feel like I'm on top of my sexual arousal in non-sexual situations! Flatlining just means you're not feeling turned on for no goddamn reason (which only happens because without NoFap you realize sexual release is just a few strokes away at any time).

70 days of flatline! There was simply nothing happening under my belt, my D was totally dead! Age 20 - ED: For the first time in many years, I was hard (after a 2 month flatline)

That's what caused me to masturbate too much in the first place. I'd be sitting on my computer or doing some work and all of a sudden, out of the blue, I'd feel this intense feeling arise that compelled me towards seeking orgasm. I wasn't even thinking about anything sexual prior to that moment! So I would just masturbate, simply scratching the itch. But in these last 5 months, during the flatlining periods, sometimes a couple of days would go by and it wouldn't even occur to me to jerk it, and rightly so because in those times I wasn't around an attractive woman or in a sexual situation.

But don't worry, you haven't lost any of your libido or mojo.

Here's the best part: When I'm in a sexual situation or with a woman, or occassionally when I let my mind wander into the realm of sexual fantasies (not a good idea, makes things more difficult for you), my arousal feels so much richer and deeper, a fuller experience, and far more sexy. Feels damn good. Just trust that when you are with a girl, your erection will be there, right on cue, enthusiastic as ever and harder than ever before. In fact, I'm getting so turned on these days that just grinding on a woman is enough to make me cum. Yes, I've jizzed in my pants with more than one girl during NoFap :)

If you're worried about losing the energy and desire to go out and meet women because you're less horny now, it's got little to do with your flatline and more to do with your lifestyle. I suggest that you take advantage of other things to trigger your horniness.

The most important thing is start putting yourself in front of women. Go out to social events, or nightclubs, or meet friends of friends, or join evening extra-curricular classes and lessons. Even if you're 'not feeling horny anymore', I bet that once you start actually interacting with women more, your body will start to kick into high gear and the horniness will start to come back as your body responds to the women around you. Start talking to them, teasing them, laughing with them, flirting with them, and your body will reward you with the beautifully natural desire to put your dick in them.

I find I'm least horny when I'm not meeting women in the course of my daily life, because now with no promise of sexual release in my own hands and no women around me, what else is my mind to do but shut off its own arousal? It's like when you go without food for a while, first you're really hungry then you stop being hungry. Your body adapts. Put a nice steak dinner in front of you and all of a sudden that hunger comes right back.

If you're flatlining, put some real life women, sexy women, in front of you and tell me you're still not feeling the horniness.

And as much as it is said on this subreddit, do work your body!

Lift weights, or even cardio is better than nothing. And consider kegel exercises. All of these things get your mojo going, I don't know why or how, all I know is they do work. There were times where I'd sit at home and do nothing, and blamed only NoFap for my flatline. Now that I'm working my body hard, I'm finding the flatline is diminishing (making NoFap tougher for me). Now when I see attractive girls on the street, I get that electric feeling buzzing through my body again.

Let's just say that flatlining were to occur in cycles, and I dip in and out of flatline phases for as long as I NoFap, I'd never use it as a reason to quit NoFap...I'm enjoying the feeling of self-discipline too much.

For people who are considering masturbating once a week or so in order to remove the flatline, realize how tough that actually is.

I think people who masturbate exactly once a week have way more discipline than me, even though I'm almost at 5 months. Because those people will never get to the flatline phase, and will be in a constant 'chaser effect' phase. I'd much rather not make my life about constantly fighting the desire to masturbate. I'd rather be in an onoing 'flatline' phase (I'm putting it in quotes now quite deliberately), but where everytime I'm in a situation with sexual overtones my sexual response is always there and even more potent than it would have been pre-NoFap. These ideas of masturbating once a week were something I had too, then I realized these they were just rationalizations caused by 2 things: horniness and self-sabotage.

Don't let your horniness get the better of you under the guise of eliminating the flatline to help you meet more women, that's you trying to sabotage yourself.

If you've told yourself you're going to do NoFap, then just do it, flatline or not.


Things seem more.. More REAL!!

As stated above, things are more REAL. More vivid! It's crazy. As soon as I started NOFAP I hit a MAJOR flatline. I'm talking anxiety, depression, dull, crappy mood. No drive to do anything. Music and videogames were not even enjoyable and negative thoughts were ramped 24/7. It got better as time went on. I'm on day 46, I just created an account to tell you guys.. LIFE DOES GET BETTER.

Maybe you are questioning the point of NOfap, I mean we all know, it's easier just to give up right? But no, push through the hard points. It gets better. The past few days I have been feeling much better. Sex drive is back, excitement and joy for life is back full-force, I feel like I did as a young teenage boy. Life is just awesome.

Allow your brain to Re-wire to REAL stimulus. Hanging with friends, working out, going hiking, natural things we are made to ENJOY are now enjoyable. Start on healthy eating, cold showers & weightlifting. Don't forget meditation. Things do improve, I promise.


My flaccid size has decreased dramatically. Since the second or third day since starting this (I'm 30+ days in now), I haven't had any morning response. I don't know if it's endocrine or neurologically driven.


(Age 24) Next 6 weeks - FLATLINE this was the worst. It felt like someone had "pulled the plug." My little man felt lifeless and dead it was scary! I kept reading posts about the flatline to keep me encouraged that I was gonna come out of it. And I did! Had my first wet dream in years and it was amazing. Then I felt back to normal. So please don't give in. The flatline will end. http://www.yourbrainonporn.com/age-24-90-days-life-much-improved


After a few days of brain tantrums (cravings), flatline for several weeks. Basically I just felt totally indifferent about girls, sex, everything. There’s a little nagging voice from the PMO beast that nagged at me in the back of my mind, but mostly, I just didn’t care. And my penis was just very lifeless and small. It was like somebody just pulled the plug on whatever machines provides my sex drive. No libido at all.


I flatlined for 3 weeks. My penis was completely dead and useless, but now it's big and firm.


Day 6 - As for raw, physical observations regarding my penis; since the start of my streak, I haven't had one full erection, no morning wood, and it looks smaller (like when it's cold out or when you get out of the shower).


I think I have been through about three flatlines so far. To describe them is easy. It's a cloudy, depressing feeling most of the time, with a very flaccid penis. I would say it feels like sitting in darkness for a long time. Each one has lasted about a week and an half with brief periods of peace in between. I am really hoping this was my last one. My erections are back to 85-90%.


It has been 2 weeks since I used porn or orgasmed. I just had sex with my girlfriend, and wasn't feeling very turned on. Lackluster erection and early ejaculation. I used to be rock hard for hours a few years ago! Will this get better? I'm worried.[A few days later] It really helped to clarify how common these symptoms are! I am seeing positive signs: morning wood twice and a middle-of-the-night erection last night, both of which felt about 70-80 percent full! It's great to see these physical changes early.

I'm also past the dead penis stage, which was pretty weird. My penis just feels fuller at all times. I am beginning to feel stimulated and get half hard without touching, and only thinking about my girlfriend. All good signs; I'm on the yellow brick road!


After 1 week, it felt as if my penis had no life. That it basically was dead. I was afraid as hell. But after two-three weeks, the morning erections started returning. They were not strong at all (Only like 20% strong) but they have improved and I would say they regularly are around 70% [at one month] .


Over 60 days...No Libido 

As I write this, I'm 63 days into nofap and I have seen some positive signs throughout my journey. I started mainly because of ED as well as finding myself using porn as a crutch to have sex with women. I've had sex infrequently (maybe 4 or 5 times) and i enjoyed it very much. I noticed I was much more sensitive and i felt very in the moment....not withdraw, not thinking of porn. At times, I've also had very strong erections when I wake up in the morning.

One thing I have not experienced yet is my "real" libido coming back. Throughout the whole journey, I have not been horny. The times I have had sex I was not in the mood although my partner eventually got me there. On top of this, last week I started noticing that I was flatlining again (this is the second time during nofap) to the point where my penis felt lifeless.

I just wanted to post somewhat of a status update and see how my experiences compare to others'. I know everybody is different, and that's what I'm interested in.


[Age 37, Day 40 no PMO] For me the flatline thing first went for about 20 days. Then there was a super-intense urge to O. I would feel drunk on horniness, but wouldn't have an erection. Some days, if I wore silk boxers and drove on a bumpy road, I would feel like I might have an O while driving, even though I didn't have an erection at all. Just these waves of warm, erectionless horniness.

Just observing, it seems to me that these washes of total horniness without an erection are some kind of leftover process from watching porn. When I first watched porn, I felt like I was going to have an O without an erection. That's how powerful an effect the porn had on me. I think my brain probably just dumped an overdose of dopamine, and yeah it certainly feels great.

I'm guessing the tolerance is way up there for people who have watched porn for years, and we don't feel this wash anymore. They need the porn-level stimulation just to function, like a junkie who needs drugs just to feel like they are at their own baseline.So anyway, after will-powering through a few days of intense desire for an O, I went into a sort of a flatline again, for a few weeks. There is something ok about this.

Actually, now I have to say I think it's a good idea to be ok with the flatline. Here is why. We have been obsessed with sexual imagery. Not just imagery, but forms of stimulation which don't exist in real life. In porn the camera moves around, one scene cuts to the next, magical orgies, etc.

Our flatline comes because we are not yet re-acclimated to real life. In real life we get aroused because we are sitting next to our lady at the movie theater and she is saying intelligent things and playing with her hair, or because she keeps taking sips of cranberry juice and fluttering her eyelashes, or we are just thinking about making out with our girl on the couch.

So, we need the flatline period to get from artificial dopamine overdose levels back to being able to get aroused by the real world. And over the past few days I have been. I've noticed all through this process there have been fairly regular erections in the morning, though generally they are on the weak side and only last a few seconds after I wake up.

But these past five days or so, I've been waking up with fairly normal fantasies in my head and the erections have lasted for quite some time. They've also started happening at random times, while driving and not thinking about anything.


One thing I REALLY hate about beginning a reboot is that the balls tend to get really, really small before they start to get big again. A lot of the time it feels like they're trying to crawl back into my body. Surely as I've stopped emptying them, they should maybe at least stay the same size, not shrivel?


(Age 38 - Day 60) When I go noPMO, there is a period in which my penis feels like a cold dead withered fish. It's small, nothing seems to stimulate it, and it actually looks white and dead. It's a little nerve-wracking. Right now, after 60 days, I'm getting spontaneous and huge erections. It comes and goes though. Last night, it had the cold dead fish syndrome again. It's still kind of in that phase, but some stimulation will help it grow a little. However, I pretty much always wake up with morning wood now. Hardness and duration vary. A few weeks ago I had an erection in the morning that was probably the biggest, strongest thing I've had in years. I was amazed.


(Day 12) I'm still flat lining, my penis is unresponsive and small but I knew that was to be expected going into this so I'm not too worried and honestly I'm enjoying not being ruled my my PMO cravings.


Shrinkage is a common experience and pretty scary while your member looks like it's getting reabsorbed into your pelvis. After a while things return to normal and maybe even improve. Hard to tell unless maybe you're measuring with calipers etc. In sum, don't worry about it. It is definitely part of the process.


[Report on symptoms after a month of rebooting]-ED (Working on it with some progress)- No morning erections (Some progress)- Cold penis (Gone)


I’m desperate. My penis is dead and my libido is dead after 3 weeks, is this normal? I'm getting so depressed. I think I’m worse than before, doing no PMO. I’ve used lots of porn stimulation, but with time it caused me ED. I’m desperate and fear to lose my 8-year relationship.


My libido kind of plummeted this week (week 10). The problem I had a few weeks ago, where my penis retracted itself appearing like I just had a cold shower, came back. I'm not stressing about it though, I figure it's just another phase in my recovery. (Read his full rebooting account.)


[Day 35] I never realized how serious my ED problem was until I came to this site. My penis feels so tiny and lifeless in general right now, which worries me a little bit.


I've noticed the 'dead penis' syndrome. After about 4-5 days my libido is absolutely shot and my penis shrivels up to nothing. It's terrifying actually.


I wake up every morning hoping there is something...anything....but nope. Day after day there is just nothingness. I felt better fighting The Urge because at least I knew there was something going on, but there is no Urge now. Also, does anyone feel that their penis feels cold? Or maybe it's just my mind playing tricks on me.


My penis is limp. I get random erections, but it's extremely dead..lol, if that makes any sense. Like it's just there. It's shrinks a lot. And I don't know why. I can have sex if the time comes around, but when I'm not aroused, it just goes completely dead!!!


Apart from mild headaches and restless sleep, I haven't had the withdrawal symptoms many people mention. Instead, I feel nothing. It's like I just don't have a libido. No morning wood. No wet dreams. No spontaneous erections. No cravings. Haven't been horny. I've had opportunities to have sex but my body is not responding.

I'm taking tango classes, so I'm reasonably social but still no sign of my libido. I can dance with a beautiful girl and have no physical reaction whatsoever. I'm aware cerebrally that a girl is attractive, but I don't feel it physically.


The softness and shriveling are absolutely part of it. I would go a week or so no PMO and then give in because I was so horny, or else I would do PM just in hopes it would charge up my libido. This only made things worse. You will have to go through some weeks—some people go months—where you are worried that your libido is going away forever and even more worried your penis is getting so small you think it's retracting into your stomach like the head of turtle. It's terrifying. It really is.


Age 34 - 8 years of ED (graphs showing progress over several months)

The weeks where the my daily boners were low I found to be the hardest weeks of the process. These are the "flatlines," and it's very easy to turn back to porn just to try and get your daily boner count back up. You start thinking that maybe this isn't working, but I'm telling you, these are the most important times to stick to your resolve.


I wanted to be with girls, as my solo sexual experiences were just depressing. So I decided to quit masturbation and said to myself, "Orgasms could only come from girls." This forced me to go out approach, and flirt with, girls. One side-effect of the 'I am not allowed to masturbate' is that I stopped watching porn. I didn't know about this website or porn addictions at this point, so I was sort of giving up PMO by accident.

I was surprised. I quickly started to feel attraction for girls. I was horny and knowing I could only get sexual gratification from a girl (my self-imposed rule) started to actively approach and pursue girls. I met this amazing girl one night when clubbing. We had a surreal connection, with stupidly high levels of attraction, kissing, grinding, and feeling each other's bodies all over on the dance floor. I asked her to come back with me that night, but we said she didn't know me enough. I went home and despite wanting some release, didn't allow myself to masturbate.

We met again and ended up in her room. I was nervous, as it had been so long since I had been in bed with a girl. We kissed passionately and undressed each other, but I wasn't getting an erection. Nothing. In fact, my dick was tiny and completely limp. Nothing she did had any effect. She was really understanding, and said "It's your body there is nothing to be ashamed of".

She was totally comfortable with her own body, and loved being naked. We spent the whole night lying naked together talking, relaxed and comfortable. It felt great.

The next day I got home and went to my room to masturbate to see if everything was still working. The experience was disconcerting. First, I struggled to get hard, and then when I did I would lose it. It took about 1.5 hours before I had an orgasm, using the most intense fantasy and hand action I knew.

At this point, I assumed that abstaining from masturbation was not a good thing! No PMO forced me to meet girls—but it also seemed to kill my erections. A Catch 22. (I didn't know about rebooting, flatlining etc.)


[Two weeks since porn use and orgasm] I feel more relaxed, but my penis is extremely shrunken and so are my testicles. I don't know why, but they are.


It's amazing how the great libido pendulum swings around. The last week or so, as I have been purging sexual fantasy out of my mind and dealing with the grubby withdrawals from that, I have felt lost, lonely, confused, almost asexual, worried, anxious and depressed. The only thing that was keeping me going was faith in my creator, nature and in the reboot process.

Getting fantasy out of your system starts out as a hard task. It starts to get easier after a while. Then you notice that your libido starts to completely depart from you, even in your mind. You start to lose all desire for sex. At that point, I started to panic, I tried to force fantasy with little to no results on the penis. Many times I would try to fantasize and I had a hard time constructing a fantasy at all. It was like a skill that I was losing the ability for. At some point I just completely let go. I figured if fantasy was going to be that hard to conjure, I might as well just relax and let it truly pass away.

This results in a flatline of the libido, both in the pants and in the brain (was scaring the SH*T out of me).

But, as I said in my last post, the night is darkest before the dawn...Today was incredible! For the first time since I can remember, probably when I was 23 or so, I had spontaneous erections in public induced by nothing more than the presence of beautiful women. I felt like an animal! But in a good way! I knew something was different on my drive into town. I saw a woman jogging and suddenly I felt a rush of blood down there. I wasn't fantasizing at all; it just happened. I saw another woman and it happened again, only stronger. And another and again and stronger still.

What was going on?

I was in orientation for my new job and there were quite a few very well dressed hotties in the room - one was sitting next to me. About five minutes into one of the presentations (I was actually paying attention believe it or not), the girl next to me started playing with her hair. I was instantly aroused - I couldn't help it! There were probably a total of 5 very attractive women in my field of view, and I started really noticing them. Some were making eye contact and some weren't. I started feeling like a damn baboon! Before I knew it, SSHHWWWIINNG! We have liftoff!

The funny thing is, I was capable of paying adequate attention to the presentations while covering up my boner with my books. I had probably a 50% 60% erection for about a total of half an hour or more during the pres. NO fantasy, truly spontaneous - just from looking and eye contact. There were probably times where it spiked up to about 80% which was enough to cause the books to start jumping up and down (I am a compulsive PC muscle flexer lol!). I scooted back in my chair and sat forward to cage the madness. All day I have felt as horny as ever. It probably has something to do with being at Vanderbilt all day surrounded by angels.

Seriously guys, I am 30 and, until I discovered my PMO addiction and this site, I was convinced that this level of virility was simply gone with age. I was buying in to all that western medicine corporate propaganda with viagra commercials starring guys in their 30's.

Have you all noticed that? It seems that lately viagra and cialis have been targeting younger and younger guys. Anyway, it is all BULLSHIT! Though the great libido pendulum in my brain is not likely done with all of its bouncing around, I am seeing dramatic improvement.

Today was simply incredible. 48 days and pressing on. I plan to go 90 days or until I feel like the improvements have reached a general plateau.


I stopped PMO over 2 weeks ago, and to my surprise, I have had literally no cravings for porn at all. It seems like I've jumped straight into flatlining?? I've had some tiny flashes of horniness here and there, but they are very few and far in between. I have only had 2 strong erections in the last 16 days, and one I believe was caused by a semi-awake dream of porn-related images, which I couldn't really control. Otherwise I have been as limp as a noodle.


This cold turkey thing is just so brutal. Seriously, it's almost like my dick freezes off, like some necro-organ or something.


(Day 52) Today, after about six weeks of what seemed like the flatline which people talk about, I was hit with the strongest and most persistent urge of the war so far. It was like a sucker punch from George Foreman. Thank God I was at work and keeping busy when this wrecking ball hit me, for I would surely have fallen if alone at home. For almost the entire work day, sexual thoughts were constantly entering my mind. That in itself is not so peculiar, but the ferocity with which it consumed me was precisely that. The fiercest erections threatened to puncture my dress pants -- erections unlike any I experienced in the midst of my addiction -- a blessing but also a curse. Many times I had to raise myself off my chair to vainly relieve some of the undue pressure in my loins and what I assume is the area of the prostate.

It was a battle that subsided eventually, and while I never touched myself (I was at work for crying out loud), I certainly edged in my mind, considering how I let the sexual thoughts drag on unnecessarily. I will not be resetting my badge, but I think it's essential to point out that edging always begins in the mind. There is always a mental submission to the urge that precedes the physical submission. I gave in mentally, and only my temporary circumstances prevented it from maturing into physical fruition.

One positive thing I noticed about the battle today -- my thoughts were no longer about porn, nor was my first inclination to masturbate. I realized my sole desire was for actual sex with a woman. I lack a key component for that to happen at the moment, but it's very encouraging to know that the reboot is working.


(Day 30) My flatline basically started after the first week. Or at least what I call flatline. I will try to elaborate. I do get morning erections to about 70-80% percent strength I guess. Some days I have sex drive or rather feel horny, but always with dead-dick symptoms. I call it that my Libido makes these jolts, and they last for maybe an hour.

But the rest of the time, maybe 95% of my time awake, I have absolutely no sex drive. No spontaneous erections. It's a very strange feeling when you look at a beautiful woman and in your head you have your normal thoughts like "Wow, shes beutiful I would like to get to know her"! and yet you have sexual thoughts or intentions. It's a very strange and for me quite a scary experience. It's like you've been castrated...


[Sometimes the flatline shows up as flat emotions.] At 87 days I have had a long flatline with spurts of life in between. I've almost gotten used to the feeling. I know this can't be normal. It will pass. The signs of life have shown me the light. I have some of my personality back, but I know it's not the whole story. I felt very very bland at one point though.


(2 weeks into reboot) A few other withdrawal symptoms have sprung up. I feel tired all the time, and my head feels like it's stuffed with cotton. I don't really feel "present" in life right now. My penis still looks and feels dead; haven't been able to get much of a reaction out of it.


I'm dealing with severe shrinkage of my genitals. WTF? My balls are bigger then my dick. Really weird. On the other hand the fact that my morning wood is returning is definitely a positive sign.


(Day 28) My penis is comically small - just about non-existent (sometimes I even have issues holding it while urinating).


Day 17 no pmo now. Some days I feel like I have a sex drive or feel horny - but always with dead-dick symptoms! It's like my dick won't wake up lol. Today is the first day I'm feeling more horny, but not as dead as before!


About my flatline. When people say they feel like their dick is dead, they arent exaggerating. Iit literally feels lifeless. It feels like a burden to have to carry it around.


So a few days ago I posted about having successful intercourse after PMO-induced ED. At the time, it felt great and I was really pleased. Had nice morning wood for several days afterwards and felt like I could easily have PIV sex with my significant other again. http://www.reddit.com/r/NoFap/comments/yi9ly/day_28_suffered_from_ed_progress/


Starting yesterday, I feel like I'm flatlining again. "Dead dick" and no spontaneous erections to speak of save weak morning wood. I haven't been fapping and I can't think of anything else in my life that might be causing this.


My Flat-lining Experiment- Warning: Anecdotal Evidence

I wouldn't say any 'super powers' have been particular evident, other than a consistency in personality. I am no longer hostage to the random highs and low associated with frequent PMO, and it is this quality that i would attribute my recent ability to maintain a healthy relationship:

After meeting a girl 20 days in, and following up to the point where we are now in a relationship (despite her being waaayy out of my league) i soon found myself in a terrifying position. One night we go out with friends, im drinking, shes drinking...you see where this is going. When it came to actually doing the deed however my little fella wasn't up to the task :( No worries, i pass this off as whiskey-dick.

However what followed was the strange phenomenon known as flatling. It lasted for a week after this night, and with a complete lack of sex drive i start worrying heavily about whether i'll be able to get it up next time.I have never had erectile dysfunction, however i also never gone so long without masturbating before.. i did not know what to expect.

Despite a complete lack of sexual desire towards anything over this week, when it came to actually being with my girl, i was out of my mind horny...throbingly so. I feel i can take this as evidence my brain has been rewired to be stimulated only be real life interaction, and am proud i have stuck it out to experience this wonderful realization.


 Sometimes your penis comes alive when it needs to:

(NPH to thegreat123) I'm over 145 days and I have zombie penis but when I have sex I do get an erection. The morning wood and spontaneous erections have gone. The recovery is not linear so it's frustrating to suffer zombie penis after such a long time without porn and masturbation. I find it really easy to avoid porn and have no desire to watch it even when my sex drive escalated. We all just need to be patient

(thegreat123 replies to NPH) Yea I have a dead penis too but I haven't attempted having sex to see how I am doing in that regard. Morning woods were happening around days 30 to 35 or so but now there is not anymore morning wood and no spontaneous erections. I too find it easy to avoid porn and masturbation. Thanks for sharing that you are 145 days in and still are having issues. I was beginning to think that I was the only one suffering from a dead penis this late in the reboot process but I am just getting started.

Not everyone finds the flatline unpleasant:

I'm having very little fantasies and also very little erectile activity and no morning wood. I guess I'm giving my brain finally that needed rest.. there have been some days with more libido, but still no real erections. It seems like I've hit this state where I seem able to continue forever this way. It took many months to develop the mindset that is required for this, and every relapse was part of that process. So don't give up.

Also, letting desire go feels good. It's not that I want to be desire-less forever, but right now I'm having all the success I want with women. I don't have to get them in bed. Just having fun with them and fooling around is already success. And the women seem to appreciate that. And I in turn appreciate female contact more than ever. It helps so much in this process.

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I think that realizing that flatline symptoms are a normal body response is key. A lot of men's self-esteem and identity actually revolve around their penis :), or better saying about their perception of their sexuality. And the erection being an involuntary and unconscious process, this trap is actually a very common and strong one for men.

 
I will read with interest What do I tell my girlfriend? Actually I have been able to share this with a girl (female) friend and was the very reason behind my initial motivation to look for more information. I think that being able to share this experience with a woman, in the context of a relationship, is something that I do want. I mean, I think that falling into the trap of porn also means that I was not able to share my feelings and myself in the context of a working relationship with a woman. So I even see a positive intention of porn induced ED: sort of having a signal from my whole being that I want more, that I want to share myself and connect deeply with a woman. Strangely enough, I see porn induced ED as a great opportunity and motivation to achieve this, as I strive for recovery. :) I mean: if I didn't have porn induced ED, I would probably be hooked to porn ad eternum, and would never actually want to connect with a woman on a deeper level. 

Now, go back and read the ED recovery pages.

Stay on the path until you see the results you want. Avoid fantasy or forced sexual activity. The point of all rebooting is to have normal sexual relations without the need for superstimuli. Don't let the temporary flatline mess with your head. As one guy said at 90 days:

ED is totally gone. After a while my dick actually felt (and looked) even bigger due to the stronger erections I was getting.

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Yes its been tough. The relapse was triggered by a need to look at seemingly harmless pics of teenage girls but this lead to hardcore and i thus found myself spiralling into the abyss that is addiction. It happened once and has been two weeks since. I have resolved to start the journey to recovery once again and thanks to this great site i understnad better the biological process that leads to addiction. I understand the link between masturbation and porn and that if one is trying to get off the porn then one should also hold back f mromasturbation. i have an active sex life but without the masturbation i wonder what, if any, effect this lessening of release ie fewer orgasms in comparison with previous sex as well as masturbation, may have on me physiologically. Does the phrase "use it or lose it" apply?
Cheers

I assume you previously abstained from porn, but not from masturbation. Is that correct? Just to let you know, we have no rules on porn recovery. It's just that men appear more successful when they also stop or drastically reduce masturbation for a few months.

But the key is to not use porn, however you accomplish that.

No, the phrase use it or lose does not apply...at all.There are hunter-gatherer tribes that have no word for masturbation. You can read about them. A few links to address your questions:

If I have ED, don't I need to "use it or lose it?"
http://yourbrainonporn.com/use-it-or-lose-it

Ejaculation: How Often for Good Health?
http://yourbrainonporn.com/ejaculation-how-often-for-good-health

WEIRD Masturbation Habits
http://yourbrainonporn.com/weird-masturbation-habits

Do you have any problem with erection? I think 10 month is a long, long progress and even you relapse a bit, it won't have much impact. Stay positive and give up porn.

I'm currently 1 month without hardcore porn, and 4 days without orgasm (relapsed to softcore). I'm pretty sure i'm in the flatline stage, but something curious is happening. I get spontaneous erections here and there, for example yesterday I had one while walking in the supermarket. But the sad part is that these erections are never true, 100% erections. I'd say 60% at best, what you can call a "sluggish" erection. Could it be a good sign, or maybe the chaser effect kicking in due to my recent relapse?

Anyway, from now on i'm sticking to a total abstinence plan (No masturbation, no "tests", and specially no porn) no matter what. I want to reboot as soon as possible because i'm dating and about to start a serious relationship with a girl.

Comment from reddit nofap

http://www.reddit.com/r/NoFap/comments/rc486/flatlining_too_long_and_worried/

Just wanted to give a quick account of my story for anyone who is worried about their flat-lining period. During my first two tries at nofap I went 14 days and 11 days before failing, and during both periods I was extremely horny the entire time. On my third (current) attempt, I literally started flat-lining from day one. It was very depressing, especially after the girl I had been seeing me dumped me, and I even began questioning my own sexuality after going an entire month and not being interested in women at all. I was having fairly consistent morning wood though, which kept me going. Around 45 days, I started to feel my sex drive slowly coming back, and as of around day 65, it is truly back in full force. I am having erections randomly throughout the day without even having to think about it. I get an erection just by seeing a pretty girl on the street. I was in Japan last week and hooked up with a cute swiss girl. I started nofap because I had lost all confidence in my ability to get erections with women, after having failed with around 10 very attractive females in the past two years. Now I am completely confident in my ability to beat ED when the time is right.

 

Is it normal for my penis and testicles to dramatically shrink??
it's really scary!!
HEEEELPPP

Just read this and go to the rebooting pages and read some more. Just part of the process and a definitive indicator that you have an addiction.

I suggest you visit http://www.yourbrainrebalanced.com/ - as many of the guys posting that forum have dealt with this.

I haven't PMO'd for at least 3 weeks now and the last couple of days seemed great, I would get erections out of nowhere and very firm ones as well, I though I was finally beginning to improve... But now is limp and lifeless and shrunken as well even though I haven't relapsed!! What can I do?? It's really desconcerting...

Here's one example.

Age 29 - Day 89, two flatlines

There's nothing to do. Accept reality. It will change.

 

Thank you for your quick response
It's just that sometimes I get filled with hope and excitement that everything will go back to normal before I know it and some other times i feel desperate and hopeless.. specially after seeing some progress and then watching how quickly it faded away.
But still, I'm going to be persistent.
And again, I can't thank you enough for this website!!
Just out of curiosity.. how did it occur to you to start with all this?

I found this and thought it might be useful for people who are suffering from this condition:

To understand what causes sexual dysfunction, you need to understand how the body operates during normal sexual activity. The adrenal glands and sex organs produce androgen hormones which stimulate sexual function in men and are the precursor to the female hormone estrogen. The hypothalamus releases the neurohormone dopamine which results in sexual arousal. When you feel sexually aroused, the brain releases the neurotransmitter acetylcholine into the bloodstream in the sex organs. Then acetylcholine causes the endothelium in the blood vessels and in the spongy penis chambers to produce an enzyme called nitric oxide synthase that helps to produce the gas nitric oxide. This is derived most commonly from the amino acid arginine or, alternatively, from nitrogen compounds in foods. Nitric oxide then triggers the release of yet another enzyme-induced neurotransmitter, cGMP. At the command of cGMP, the blood vessels relax, permitting increased blood inflow to the penis. As the chambers of the penis engorge, the sudden surge of blood into those chambers exerts pressure on the veins. Now inflow is greater than outflow, and the penis remains erect so long as there is a continuous production of cGMP mediated by nitric oxide. A very similar sequence is involved in lubrication and vaginal and clitoral engorgement in women. As sexual activity intensifies, the neurotransmitter GABA is released, increasing dopamine levels and ultimately igniting a euphoric feeling and increasing sensations during orgasm.

At the end of sexual activity, cGMP is disabled by the enzyme PDE5, and nitric oxide production decreases, causing the penis to return to its flaccid state or female sex organs to return to normal. The anti-inflammatory hormone prostaglandin E-1 is released to relax tissue and muscle fiber and calm the body after sex. The pituitary gland releases the hormone and neurotransmitter oxytocin to induce a sense of sexual satisfaction after sex or orgasm. The pituitary gland also releases the hormone prolactin to repress the effect of dopamine, thus reducing sexual arousal by decreasing the levels of estrogen in women and testosterone in men. The brain also releases the neurotransmitter serotonin to modulate sexual desire.

All of these processes, however, break down when you engage in too much sex, masturbation, pornography viewing, or sexual fantasy, and especially when a man over-ejaculates. Excessive sexual activity and over-ejaculation lead to overproduction of androgen hormones, causing adrenal and sex organ fatigue, and excess release of dopamine to maintain prolonged sexual arousal. Since dopamine is the precursor to the stress hormone epinephrine (adrenaline), excess dopamine results in the adrenal glands overproducing epinephrine and putting the body in a prolonged state of fight-or-flight stress. At the same time, norepinephrine is synthesized from dopamine and released from the adrenal medulla into the blood as a hormone, along with the stress hormone cortisol. Epinephrine, norepinephrine and cortisol fuel the fight-or-flight response, directly increasing heart rate, triggering the release of glucose from energy stores, and increasing blood flow to skeletal muscle. All of this has a severely taxing effect on the body.

The hormone prostaglandin E-2, which serves an important function in sexual arousal, is also overproduced and has an inflammatory effect on the body, damaging tissues, nerves and joints, weakening immunity, causing muscular and nervous pain, and promoting infection, inflammation, and even cancer. Chronic elevation of epinephrine and prostaglandin E2 results in severe damage to brain cells and parasympathetic nerves in the liver, lungs, adrenal glands, heart, blood vessels, digestive system, pancreas, gallbladder, ovaries, uterus, cervix, testicles and prostate. As a result, you can experience a variety of symptoms, including depression, anxiety, bodily pains, persistent sexual arousal and sexual dysfunction such as impotence and premature ejaculation in men and a lack of sexual stimulation in women.

All of this over-activity and stress causes the pituitary gland and testicles (ovaries in women) to become disabled for a few days or even months, leading to a long refraction time or a long-term sexual exhaustion and inflammation. First, you may feel your muscles and joints become very tight and rigid upon ejaculation. An extremely exhausted adrenal function can cause an extreme low level of DHEA and cortisol, resulting in fatigue and pains throughout the body, including the back. The pain becomes severe at about 2-4 hours after ejaculating due to the sudden drop of DHEA, testosterone and DHT. You may experience pains for a couple of days until your prolactin and cortisol levels are returned to their normal ranges.

In order to reverse the ill-effects of excessive sexual activity, over-masturbation, or over-ejaculation, stop sexual activity for a few weeks. Let your body rest and replenish. Then you can come back to it with a lower frequency. A healthy habit is to ejaculate a total of three to four times a week.

ViaPal-HGH-P, ArginOx and fish oil (1000 mg each meal) will help you gradually rejuvenate your neuro-endocrine function and boost your prostaglandin E-1/E-3, oxytocin and nitric oxide production for erection and orgasm. American ginseng and maca help to rejuvenate your entire body. Horny goat weed and yohimbe will help increase flood flow and nutrient absorption for a harder erection and better ejaculation control. Damiana and saw palmetto will heal your prostate, which is responsible for producing and releasing semen and which is most likely overworked with your excessive sexual activity or masturbation.

I've seen this material before and a lot of it is conjecture without scientific basis or simply wrong. His model is 'sexual exhaustion,' and many of the biochemical pathways described above do not occur. He is mixing factual physiology with manufactured physiology.

A more accurate version of how erections are controlled: Review. Central control of penile erection: A re-visitation of the role of oxytocin and its interaction with dopamine and glutamic acid in male rats (2011)

Off the top of may head, I'll point out a few inaccuracies.

The hypothalamus releases the neurohormone dopamine which results in sexual arousal.

The reward circuit (nucleus accumbens) releases dopamine into the hypothalamus, which in turn activates oxytocin producing neurons which, in turn, activate nerves in the spinal cord, which in turn activate nerves traveling to the penis.

So it is the reward circuit dopamine that controls most types of erections.

When you feel sexually aroused, the brain releases the neurotransmitter acetylcholine into the bloodstream in the sex organs

False. The actual pathway is described above. Acetylcholine is released from parasympathetic nerve endings, not into the blood. However, the primary neurotransmitter for the penis is NO (nitric oxide).

Excessive sexual activity and over-ejaculation lead to overproduction of androgen hormones,

False. All reports from men who have had blood tests, and all experimental evidence, prove this to be false.

Since dopamine is the precursor to the stress hormone epinephrine (adrenaline), excess dopamine results in the adrenal glands overproducing epinephrine and putting the body in a prolonged state of fight-or-flight stress.

Half right, but all wrong. Dopamine may be a precursor to norepinephrine, but the dopamine produced in the reward circuit stays in the reward circuit and does not travel to the adrenals.

At the same time, norepinephrine is synthesized from dopamine and released from the adrenal medulla into the blood as a hormone, along with the stress hormone cortisol.

False, brain dopamine stays in the brain, and is not sent to the adrenals. Also, cortisol is not controlled by dopamine in the blood; it is controlled by ACTH in the blood.

The problem with porn-induced is dopamine, but it's not too much, it's too little. It called desensitization and described here. The problem is an addiction process, not "sexual exhaustion."

I could keep going, but you get the picture. What he's trying to describe is adrenal exhaustion. It can happen, but not via the biochemical pathways he is describing. The symptoms of true adrenal exhaustion (low cortisol) are many and varied, with ED being way down on the list. Note that most MD's do not recognize 'adrenal exhaustion,' but so what?

A good list - http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/symptoms-low-cortisol/

I'm sorry for the last post, I thought it might be helpful..
But I have another question, do you know if there's another medical reason for a shrinking penis? Because mine has been shrunken for almost 3 months now.. and I don't know what to do, my urologist said it's impossible but i know my own body..
Apart from that, I've been having strong morning erections almost every day for the past few weeks which is a good sign, when my penis is erect is the same size as always, it's only when it's flacid that it's softer than it should be, thinner and smaller..
Maybe it could be my brain sending weak signals to whatever it is controls the flacid state.. because my libido is completely dead, and also i'm experiencing flat emotions..
but having no libido is good for my recovery because at least i dont have the urge to masturbate but it's scary at the same time because it makes me think there's something seriously wrong with me, but worse than that, i cant seem to find what it is..
any help is greatly appreciated!! i'll continue with my reboot, im about 36 days in now! :)

the brain sending weaker and weaker signals. Every guy gets anxious. It's expected.

Hey Guy,

Short question i stopped viewing P for 2 weeks now but i cant resist the temptation to not M after 7 day (still trying to last longer) anyway when i get hard it some how it feels different i see that its hard but not as thick as it use to be.. is this normal ?

Thank you.

it happens

I've come to the conclusion that the "lifeless" or "shrinking" penis is due to the brain sending weaker signals. I've been struggling with this problem for a long time and when my girlfriend came last week, I would get a super strong erection just by kissing and I was so excited because even when we weren't doing anything, my penis seemed to have come to its normal size again, this continued even when we weren't together and I felt so relieved that perhaps that nightmare was finally over. She lives far away so she only came visiting for a couple of weeks and during that period everything was normal, like it once used to be (I was at about 45 days in the reboot, but having the lifeless penis for months by then and no libido whatsoever)
When she left, I thought everything was back in balance with me but after a couple of days, the "lifeless" penis came back. That was both frustrating and relieving because at first I thought there was a physical problem with me but no matter how much I looked, there seemed to be no disease or explanation for a "shrinking penis" everywhere it said it was physically impossible or just due to cold weather or smoking etc. so now I know that I don't have any strange condition or disease, all my hormones and bloodwork came out perfectly so I really couldn't figure that one out. It sucks that the problem is back but at least I know that the problem isn't my penis and that probably my brain still needs to heal to the point of normal functioning even without stimulation. So if anyone was wondering if it was hormonal driven or whatever this is the most acurate explanation i can give.

hi!
i think im flatlining and im rarely get an erection after sleeping!
When i get an erection and i touch it my dick feels numb.. is that normal ?

stop porn/masturbation, then it can happen.

ok thx and for how long will it feel that numb?

If you are concerned I suggest seeing a physician.

I would like to first off thankyou for the website. I have been doing no pmo for the last month and my life has improved so much. My anxiety has been cured, I am so much more social, I have been flirting with girls. and my life has been all round great.

I do have a question though. I have been looking through the website a lot in the last month, but i cant seem to find to much information about what happens when you DONT flatline. I have not had my flatline yet. I have one relapse, which i feel bad about, but it has made me strong in not relapsing again, because it felt great and i know what to look forward too. But besides from that I dont know why i wont flatline. My balls have shrunk, I have had a lot of other side effects from quitting pmo, but I still get really aroused sometimes, and i still get boners every now and then.

Once again THANKYOU for this website!

There is no one pattern. If you read through all the rebooting and the ED stories, you will see that a lot of guys don't "flatline". No one knows what causes it, so it's hard to say why it sometimes happens and sometimes does not.

I wouldn't give it much thought.

Good luck

Thankyou for the fast reply. Keep up the great work with this site.

that although my balls have gotten fuller in this 32-day masturbation abstinence, at 191 days overall and 17 weeks PMO free, my penis is still shrunk and lifeless, it's like everytime I masturbate, I'm just one orgasm away from extended recovery time... As a virgin, I've honestly been really bothered by this lack of libido, until I began seeing it as a sign that I'm not ready for dating, let alone sex with women. So this should teach me to stop with this obsession with sex, and just live with what I got. I'm just wondering if I'm doing this reboot properly by abstaining from masturbation while I stay away from porn forever? I may have another 4 weeks before I'm back to normal, I don't know for sure. But maybe I'll find this out.

Never give up, for trying is the key.

I'm just wondering if I'm doing this reboot properly by abstaining from masturbation while I stay away from porn forever?

I wish I had the answer. My belief is that there are limits to abstaining, and guys should start some type of stimulation....but we just don't know

I was overanalyzing things... Anxiety sure will make arousal difficult!

Never give up, for trying is the key.

My situation in the past 15 years: lots of porn, masturbation twice a day, often fetish porn / extreme porn. I started watching porn when I was 18 and didn't have any sexual relationship with women until I was 21 (just a short episode) and then 25. Erection was often bad or none at all. I didn't know what I was doing wrong because during masturbation the erection was quite good (although not perfect!). I had myself tested at many doctors and they all found out that I was absolutely healthy with one exception - low level of testosterone. I was happy that I found the solution but I was so wrong. I underwent a testosterone cure, my blood level raised to a very nice level but even after several months I did not feel any improvements at all. Of course, every girl wants sex so I lost all my relationships. My last doctor told me the problem was hidden somewhere in my brain but that's impossible to fight. But then I found your site and it describes exactly what I feel. I was watching fetish porn all the time, I cannot focus on important things, my morning erection is almost gone, I feel lack of motivation at work and I feel sleepy all the time. So I followed your advices. I deleted all of my porn. For a while I thought I wouldn't be masturbating but that hurt. Five days without masturbation and my balls hurt that I can hardly walk! So no, I have to masturbate. But at least I think of real women, not of internet porn. Still no improvements at all. Around day 30-40 I felt better and I thought that my morning wood was better than ever before but it was probably false alarm. When I ended in bed with a nice girl a few days later, I couldn't do anything at all and my flat line continues. Now I'm on day 80 and I'm slowly losing my hope. Is it really possible that at some point my situation improves? Can it be day 100, 150, 200? I'm the "worst" type of patient because I started masturbating to porn long before I had sex with any girl. So porn is deep inside of me :-( Please tell me I will be able to have sex with a woman one day. These days I feel like I don't want to see a naked women at all :-(

I know that it's an old topic but I am new here and going through everything. I just stumbled upon this website a few days ago and for the first time I understood what the hell is happening. Anyway - as someone already said blue balls will go away. Actually it was the reason I masturbated few times before - my balls hurt me as if someone gripped them in the vice. I was going on the train once praying for it not to shake too much. Every time it did I felt it in my balls. And than it was just gone. I went through it more than once. It never took longer than a week to get rid of it, and only 1-3 days were really bad. So it is worth to wait it out

If it is porn-induced ED it will heal. I assume you have done this test to confirm - How do I know if my ED is porn-related? (TEST)

I suggest listening to this show - Radio Show: Interview - age 25, porn-induced ED, 9 months to recover.

Are you saying 80 days without porn, but you are still masturbating? If you are masturbating then you cannot compare your progress to others who do not masturbate. The "blue balls" will pass even if you don't masturbate. It just takes a bit longer.

I will do my best to avoid masturbation (it probably won't be possible every time but at least I can limit it to once per two weeks or maybe even once per month). But how long can the healing last at max.? Can it be half a year? A year? Five years? If I know there's 10 years of life without masturbation ahead of me, then I will give up, it would be relatively easier for me to masturbate to porn and find a girl who doesn't need sex almost at all... I mean I will fight, probably three more months but then... I don't know.

I can't make predictions or diagnosis. We only pass along what successful men say works. You must choose what to do.

Everything I know is under

Read the ED rebooting accounts to see what men did.

I suggest visiting http://www.yourbrainrebalanced.com/ - most guys over there are dealing with the exact same thing you are.

OK, I was listening to that radio show and my understanding of spoken English is not so good - does he say that his flatline lasted 5-6 months WITH or WITHOUT masturbation? His story is very similar to mine, I just want to consider all the options... if masturbation just slows the process (from 3 to 6 months, for example) or if it basically resets it to zero. I read the discussions on yourbrainrebalanced.com and it says that it's necessary to avoid PORN. Masturbating might slow down the process by, say, 50% but it does not mean a serious danger. What do you think?

The orgasm reboot was envisioned as a way to not completely give up. It says to put off masturbation as long as possible and to make sure when you must masturbate - to NOT masturbate to porn. This is exactly what we say on this site.

My discussion on masturbation and ED recovery in the START HERE aricle is all I can say on the subject.

Good luck.

 

It's like I just don't care about girls anymore...even when I was watching porn my desire for real women never went away. Girls were my main motivator lol. My main reason for quitting porn was sex didn't feel as good and I developed HOCD. But now my complete indifference is real trigger for my HOCD What's going on?

achangingman

but if you have HOCD, then this can happen. Lots of ups and downs. Your job is not to be attached to any particular "feeling" or "thought"..as they come and go whne you are going through withdrawal. And do not to test or check your sexual response.

Read  I'm straight, but attracted to transexual or gay porn. What's up? - and follow the rebooters suggestions.

Where could i post a question about being 5 days into the reboot and after my last binge my testicles seem deflated and ballsack is tighter then normal. Like they are smaller and soft. Very uncomfortable but i am going to stick this out for at least 4 months probably 5. Thank you

question over at - http://www.yourbrainrebalanced.com/

See what they think.

I appreciate the quick response. Thanks a lot. Im going to see what some of the guys have experienced through this process and hopefully not feel so weird about this whole thing.

First of all, I would like to thank everyone who took part / is taking part in building this site and keeping it going. I am sorry if my English is not that good, it is not my mothertongue. My story is the following, I will try to fix it as fast as possible:

-I am 25 years old

-Masturbating since long time, the last years more and more to porn which was getting more hardcore with the time passing (searching for sth. more drastic).

-since almost 5 years I have a girlfriend, but we all interaction we had was always petting, at least I helped her, she could not do so with me, which at least was just because I failed already at the beginning to get a proper erection (I didn’t put that in combination with the porn during that time, searched other excusions for me). At least we are still together because we have strong feelings as persons to each other, but our “sex life” if you want to call it like that, does not exist any more since long time, If it ever existed.

-since maybe two years I was trying to get of the porn, just because I had a feeling that it could be a reason for my ED and because I recognized so I just felt guilty and dirty after masturbating to stuff which was just not normal and disgusting. I made it sometimes for some days, even weeks, and always had the feeling that my libido etc. would improve after that time. At least after two I weeks or so I used to say “just one porn at the weekend” or something like that, and I recognized with the time passing on that I was fantasizing about scenes I had seen in porn when I was masturbating, even without whatching a movie.

-anyway, I always slept back into porn because, as I see now, it had become for me a way to deal with pressure and bad feelings, stress etc.; sometimes I used to fap 2 or three times a day without being horny, just because I was bored and used to. Almost all the time during this years I never had really the feeling that sth. was wrong with me.

-During the last months I just got really unhappy with myself, I felt and still feel guilty because I can’t satisfy my girl (which makes she searching the reasons on her which is really bad, I know I should tell her and will do so, if there won’t be a soon improval) and don’t feel like a real proper man.

-Two weeks ago, I started again a try to stop watching porn. I made it, and in the first week it felt just ok, I fapped as usual really often, but without porn. In the second week, I discovered this site when I was searching for informations of porn and ED. I hit me like a thunderbolt, and I stopped fapping since then.

-So now I am the second week of no porn and in the 8. Day without any fapping, and sinceday one I stopped fapping, all my libido is gone. It seems so that I have a super harsh flatline, I read all the articles here about it and it fits to me. My penis is getting smaller, seems trying to hide, and a can look at any real girl/my girlfriend or any woman which I normaly would have found attractive: Guess what, I feel just nothing. I mean really nothing, It is incredible and frightening. No morning wood as well, just nothing, as if I was a robot without feelings. There could be the hottest girl taking her bra of or doing anything in front of me, I would not feel anything.

-Beside that, It seems so I pushed for the last three days into a depression: I wake up early without alarm (doesn’t matter if I went late to bed), I feel tired, sad, can’t concentrate,and I feel no appetite at all, have to force me since three days to eat sth. (normalIy am a really proper eater with good appetite).

-Now I am so worried if I did already to much to my brain and if I ever will be in the situation to find girls attractive and to get normal erections from kissing etc. because porn or at least masturbation are the only things my brains is connecting with sex. I know, 8 days is not much at all, I am prepared to wait much longer and won’t relapse, no way, but I am really afraid because the symptoms I have (all of them together) fear the shit out of me, It feels like I am dying inside. I feel so bad right now, it is just incredible, I know that I do the right thing now, but feel so bad. Has anyone a similar history? I would be so good to hear of someone who made it out of a situation like mine. For me it is clear that I won’t ever relapse, this site opened my eyes, I am really thankfull for that, but some advice/ some similar story would help me in the actual situation to get along.

-And at least I have some other question: what about drinking alcohol? I have many friends (girls as well) and like to go out with them, drink and party. Is that a problem, too?
Thank you so much for your help, keep it up!

what about drinking alcohol? I have many friends (girls as well) and like to go out with them, drink and party. Is that a problem, too?

I can't say. The biggest problem is relapsing when your are drunk. So be careful.

Since you are unlikely to get a response here (other than me) I suggest visiting this forum - http://www.yourbrainrebalanced.com/

good luck

It's been 2 weeks since i tried this and i have no or very low libido. If there was a scale 1 to 50 ,before this that i could mark my libido at, it would have been 50+++++. It's now at 3. It actually creates depressive(I never normally get depressed) like feelings in a person because sex, sexuality, lusting etc are such a central part of my life and always have been. I am so tempted to just go toss off to some hot porn. I can't see anyway forward. My sex life and dates are passing me by whilst i wait for my erections to what?? i don't even know what i'm waiting for anymore? Am i waiting for my dick to get as hard as it was when i was 18? I feel like i have NO nerves inbetween my legs.Dead. I have jacked off a few times and it's dull and my spunk is cold. Before this i could shoot over my head i swear!I feel like a ship with no sail, lost aimlesslessy, wondering in a lifeless sea.

I would suggest checking out the support tab above for active forums.

thanks admin. Does what i'm feeling sound very familiar? It's psychologically a very confusing and scary process.

you are posting on?

Have you looked at the ED and porn FAQ page?

If any guys want to email me and chat, support and share what they are going through, feel free, it's terrynow@hotmail.com. it will help us both. Cheers and good luck

just after one week i can see the changes in my manhood.....there is a lot of improvements now.........

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